Ep. 106/ Midlife Does Not Need to Be A Grim Sentence: Reinvention & Lessons on Rejection
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“I was so miserable that a hospital room with Covid felt like a vacation.” When Erin Keating, Founder of Hotter Than Ever, had her epiphany she decided to revamp her life - and now is focused on creating a media & lifestyle brand that makes hot stuff for women over 40. She dives into her pivot and helps people figure out their next steps. Plus we shift into a new way to see rejection! As a former media executive she shares why she rejected shows like Broad City and Schitt’s Creek while working as a TV executive. Not sure about you - but seeing that helps take the sting out of rejection in our professional lives!
You will learn:
How to realize that something in your life needs to change (4:34)
Actually making the pivot and how to decide your next steps (8:38)
Showing up as yourself wholehearted (17:20)
Handling rejection in your regular life (26:30)
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After 20 years developing and producing the work of talented creatives for companies from Comedy Central and IFC TV to Snapchat, Erin stepped out from behind the scenes and created Hotter Than Ever in 2023 to fill the profound gap in authentic, meaningful programming for and about women over 40.
Hotter Than Ever currently produces the top ranked Hotter Than Ever podcast and substack. After a near death case of Covid in 2021, Erin got honest about her outwardly successful (but secretly miserable) keeping up with the Jones' life and ended her long marriage. Erin rediscovered pleasure and found her mission to help liberate women in midlife from the myth of having it all in order to create exciting, fulfilling lives of their own design. As an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning media executive and executive producer, Erin's passion for smart brand defining original programming has led to zeitgeist shaping shows like Portlandia.
In this episode you will learn:
How to realize that something in your life needs to change (4:34)
Actually making the pivot and how to decide your next steps (8:38)
Showing up as yourself wholehearted (17:20)
Handling rejection in your regular life (26:30)
Quotes from our guest:
“I was so miserable that a hospital room with Covid felt like a vacation.”
“I found myself with a blank slate and it was thrilling.”
“Midlife does not have to be a grim sentence”
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Kim (00:02):
Erin Keating, founder of Hotter Than Ever is here. She creates authentic, meaningful programming for and about women over 40.
Erin (00:09):
I was miserable, so miserable that a hospital room with Covid felt like a vacation.
Kim (00:17):
Erin shares how her near death experience a layoff and divorce has led her to feeling more fulfilled than ever. We talk about self-expression, finding our why and rejection. Erin was a TV executive who worked on Portlandia and rejected some huge shows like Broad City and Schitt's Creek, and she shares some insider details about that and has takeaways on how we can see rejection with a new lens, something at least I definitely struggle with. Make sure to listen.
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Welcome to the Exit interview with Kim Rittberg. Do you work for yourself and want to supercharge your business while still having fun? Well, this is your go-to podcast part MBA Part Cheer Squad. Every week I'll be joined by top business owners who share the secrets to their success. After I found myself working during childbirth true story, I quit my executive media job to bet on myself fighting the fear and imposter syndrome to eventually earn six awards and in-demand speaking career and features in Fast Company and Business Insider. Now I'm here to celebrate all you rock stars betting on yourself, and I want to help you win. Tune in every Wednesday to hear from remarkable founders and don't miss our Solo Friday episodes, a treasure trove of video and podcasting mini masterclasses with me. Exit the Grind, enter success on your own terms. Don't forget to subscribe today and grab my free video tips at my website, kimrittberg.com.
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After 20 years developing and producing the work of talented creatives for companies from Comedy Central and IFC TV to Snapchat, Erin stepped out from behind the scenes and created hotter than ever in 2023 to fill the profound gap in authentic, meaningful programming for and about women Over 40 hotter than ever currently produces the top ranked hotter than ever podcast and substack after a near death case of Covid in 2021, Erin got honest about her, outwardly successful, but secretly miserable, keeping up with the Jones' life and ended her long marriage. Erin reclaimed the powerful voice in producing talent. She had been licensing to corporations rediscovered pleasure and found her mission to help liberate women in midlife from the myth of having it all in order to create exciting, fulfilling lives of their own design. As an Emmy and Peabody Award-winning media executive and executive producer, Erin's passion for smart brand defining original programming has led to zeitgeist, this is a hard word to say, zeitgeist shaping shows like Portlandia at IFC tv, Vita at Big Beach TV Stars and the first ever mead for mobile scripted series incorporating screen life and augmented reality at Snapchat where she was a senior leader on the original programming team.
(02:53):
Erin, I'm so excited to have you here.
Erin (02:56):
That is a mouthful. Thank you so much,
Kim (02:58):
Kim. Sorry I couldn't say the word zeitgeist sometimes I'm like I sent in too long of a bio, but me, me too. It's only really word zeitgeist. I couldn't say. I really want to start with the idea that you nearly died of covid and then just blew up your life. I want to talk about that.
Erin (03:13):
Yeah, so I was riding high in my professional life. I was really crushing it in my last corporate job where I was helping to lead the originals team at Snapchat, making scripted short form series that included augmented reality and all of these different technologies, the sort of innovating storytelling. It was all this stuff I was really lit up about and I got covid and I thought, okay, I'm young and strong, I'll be okay. And I kind of let it go for too long because I was busy, I was working and I was taking conference calls through on the conference calls, I'd mute myself and I found myself really, really sick and I went to UCLA and they were like, come right this way. You have covid pneumonia. I was vaccinated. This was in the summer of 22, so 21, 22, the years blur together. It was some year after the vaccine came out and they checked me into a room by myself and I thought, this is Canyon Ranch. I had not been alone in a room with no one asking me for anything in years.
Kim (04:34):
There's that scene in bad moms where she was in the hospital and she's like, no one's going to ask me anything. Yeah,
Erin (04:39):
I mean, that's my life. I had twins. I had this crazy job, I had a really challenging marriage, and I, for the first time in literally years, I just could breathe and think my own thoughts. And I was there for a few days and I was on all the IVs and all the things. The biggest bouquet of flowers was from my job, which will be the metaphor that stands forever. And then when I was ready to leave the hospital cut into a bit of a tiff with my then husband over text. And I thought to myself, wait, isn't this the in sickness and in health part? I've never been this sick. I've never been sick with something that a million people recently died from. And something clicked in my brain and I was like this, if I could die, I'm not morbid. I've never thought about my own mortality.
(05:43):
All of a sudden I was like, oh shoot, I get one shot at this. I get one shot at this life and at being happy doing something that means something to me. And I get this is the choice that I've made for love and relationship and it's not working. So I got out of the hospital, kind of had to come to Jesus with my then husband. We decided to go to couples therapy for a final time. We had been doing it since we met on and off failing at couples therapy. And we tried, we failed. And within two weeks after leaving the hospital, I turned 50 and within five months or six months of leaving the hospital, my husband of 17 years moved out. And then six months later I got laid off from my fancy corporate job because Netflix had a bad quarter and the entire tech industry collapsed and I found myself with a blank slate and it was thrilling.
(06:51):
Honestly, I was more excited than scared and I had wanted to go to Italy for my 50th birthday, but Covid had sort of messed all of that up. And so I booked myself into a retreat in Italy with a woman named Sherry Salada who used to co-run own and was an EP on the Oprah Show, and she's now sort of her own guru. And I really went there to do a lot of deep thinking about myself and my life and my future, my career and what I wanted. And I left there knowing that I was going to launch hotter than ever because the way that I felt from the minute my life started to turn upside down was so much happier and sexier and more self-expressed and joyful and lighter than I had felt in the previous 15 years. And I thought, I cannot be the only woman who was going through this.
(07:54):
I cannot be the only woman who played by the rules and got all the cash and prizes and whose life looked so great from the outside. I had just bought us a house. I had vested my stock. I had been grinding and grinding and grinding for years, and I had won the corporate life lottery and I was miserable, so miserable that a hospital room with Covid felt like a vacation. And I was like, this isn't it. And so I just started to build from scratch what would become the foundations of my next career and my new life.
Kim (08:38):
So how do you decide, okay, I think the pivot of people's lives is always really hard. You're like, I know this is not working. Do I go right? Do I go left? Do I make a U-turn? How did you decide, okay, hotter than ever is what I want to do. What is it? Do you find people always say, oh, find a need and fill that need? Was it a passion? You follow the passion? How did you decide that was the thing you were going to do?
Erin (09:06):
It's such a great question and there's a lot of mystery in my answer. I mean, I had been a television executive, so I knew how to make TV shows. I know how to make a beautiful media product. I know how to win awards. I know how to build a team. I know how to see a creative project from an idea through execution and distribution. I was a huge fan of podcasts. I had been listening to podcasts for years. I had resisted taking jobs in the podcast world because I was like, where's the video? But I knew I could make a podcast. I just knew that it was really going to be pretty easy within my skillset, my capabilities to make a podcast. And I just had a hunch that I had something to say that would resonate with other women because I was seeing so many people in my cohort kind of going through similar things and feeling similar feelings and is that all there is?
(10:08):
I did this and I did that, and I looked perfect from the outside and I realized, oh, actually, this is not the fairy tale of having it all that I was promised as a young 20 something when I set out to build my career. So my intuition told me that from being a development executive, the thing I liked the most about that job was those initial conversations where you get to know someone kind of really fast and you dig into what they care about and what they want to write about, what their themes are and what the work is that they've done in the past and how that all synthesizes together into something new. I had never interviewed anyone, but I just thought, I'm going to try this. I'm going to try this. And I had been an actor in my twenties and had studied theater, and I had done some autobiographical one person show stuff, and I love a memoir, a love, a first person story that is my favorite medium.
(11:10):
And something in me was so exhausted from being an evangelist for somebody else's vision and mission of being so good at selling for other people and so good at speaking on behalf of a company and a department and a team and a team vision that I thought what would happen if I stopped licensing that voice? And I harnessed it for myself, and I just thought, I'm starting from nothing, but I know what I want to talk about and I have access to amazing people, and these are the conversations I think I need to have. So I just started interviewing people and I started doing solo episodes about the things that I was going through and the things that I was thinking about career and pleasure and risk taking, and then eventually dating and relationships. And I just started asking all the questions of other people and of myself that I thought would be most useful for other women who are going through this phase of life to hear. And as it turns out, I was right. I mean, I had developed my creative intuition for 20 years in my career. I had bet well on a lot of other people's creative projects. And for the first time in my life I thought, well, why not mine and why not me? And I think I'm qualified for this job.
Kim (12:49):
Yeah, I think I interned in this position for a few months. I think I'm good. It's interesting. Your origin story is very similar to mine that once I knew I wanted to leave corporate and go out on my own, I actually was started talking to all these other moms that I met who seemed to be figuring it out in a way that no one was talking about. This person was working three days a week, but nobody knew about it. It was kind of like hush h, this other person negotiated with the Department of Education to work seven to two and Fridays from home or whatever. And I was like, there's all these moms who were kind of making it work, but it's all under the radar. And to your point, I started talking to people and being like, this is a thing that's going on that no one's talking about. And that's how I started the exit interview. It started with mom's exit interview, and I now have included people who don't, not just only parents who don't
Erin (13:42):
Mom,
Kim (13:43):
Who don't mom people don't mom if you on mom or Remo or Premo or whatever, post mom never. But I think the idea of getting out there and talking to people and saying, oh, I understand that I'm not the only person going through this, and in fact maybe I'm going to, I'm sure you do get inspiration from these people you're interviewing. I've been like, oh percent. Lemme write that down. I've been like, I'm going to sticky note that person's advice and keep it some people's voices I actually hear in my mind. And it's you're making the roadmap for others and building your own roadmap as well.
Erin (14:15):
Yeah, for sure. For sure. And I am collecting this wisdom. And one thing that I'm always been good at professionally is sort of interdisciplinary thinking and connecting the dots, disparate dots, and being able to tell a bigger story as a result of being able to connect different pieces of information, and in this case, different parts of women's life experience, how everything is so interconnected. And I mean, I think I always used my intuition in my professional life, and I also use my analytical skills, but what I have been really working at now is just to dig deep on how something feels to me for direction, because my brain is great and I can analyze the shit out of anything. But I think when it comes to leading my own business and to knowing what to do next, I try to be patient. I try not to force things.
(15:15):
And I have let myself go down these paths of approaching the podcast one episode a week. And then I was like, I think I'd like to do two episodes a week and I would like to give advice and sometimes I experiment and have other people on and answer listener questions with me. And as that has evolved, so has the vision for the larger business. And I did not go into this to be a podcaster. For me, the podcast was a way for me to say, this is my voice, this is what I want to talk about. These are the conversations that I don't think are happening. There's a lot of stuff in the menopause space. There's a lot of medical stuff, there's a lot of wellness, health, nutrition, there's a lot of problem solving for women in midlife. And there's not a lot that's about fun and pleasure and joy and self-expression and freedom.
(16:19):
And for me, that was the stuff that was a hundred percent missing for my life that now that I have brought it back and layered it on top of my work ethic and on top of this mission, my life is so much more fun. I have so much more joy. I'm so much more connected to people, and that is what I preach. That's what I believe is possible for all of us in this back half of our lives as we set new goals and have new ideas about what we want to do and who we want to be. I set a bunch of goals in my twenties. I accomplish those goals. I'm not going to just sit there. I think I need to refresh everything and rethink everything for the next chapter. And I think a lot of us rounding the bend of 40, rounding the bend of 45, rounding the of 50, start to go. Okay, what's next?
Kim (17:20):
Talk to me about, you use the word self-expression a lot.
Erin (17:23):
Yeah.
Kim (17:24):
What does that mean to you in your life before working for yourself and now you feel free with self-expression? What does that mean? How does that play?
Erin (17:33):
I was lying a lot in my previous life, and I'm not a liar. I'm a person who scrupulously tells the truth. I can't make up a lie to save my life. But what I was doing to preserve the life that I had was pretending that I was satisfied, pretending I was happy in the marriage, pretending that how things were going in my corporate situation were okay with my morals and my values. It's not that anyone was doing anything particularly wrong, it's just that if I were to run it and I were to do it, it would've been different. I think when you're in corporate life, you drink a lot of Kool-Aid and then you serve that Kool-Aid to other people, and that's great. It gets you paid, it gets you status, gets you a place in the world, it gets you an identity. But for me, it came with a lot of zipping my lip, and I just started to feel the cost of that
Kim (18:36):
Just not showing. You felt like you weren't showing up as Erin wholehearted, you were just morphing it to some other person to fit in where you needed to be.
Erin (18:44):
The job just needed certain things from me, and it needed me to say certain things, and it needed me to say them in a certain way. And I wasn't consciously doing anything wrong. I wasn't doing anything wrong, but I just started to feel like, what if I could actually say what I was really thinking in this moment? What if I could actually say what I think about late stage capitalism and the patriarchy?
Kim (19:18):
You, I'll tell you what if I'll tell you the what if you'll see the door. Yeah,
Erin (19:23):
That's right.
Kim (19:24):
You, I'll tell you. I can answer that question.
Erin (19:26):
When I was inside those structures, of course I wasn't. I'm a good girl. I followed all the rules, I do everything, and then I do them a million times better than everyone else. So I was not going to be a rebel. But I had been a rebel as a young woman, and I had been a free thinker as a young woman, and I had lived an unconventional life. And all I wanted was to have an interesting life with adventures and amazing experiences. And because I wanted to be a mom and because I wanted to have the trappings of conventional society, I found a corporate path that worked for me until it didn't. And I think once the marriage ended, I started to think about who I had been before this chapter of my life had started and who I had to become to get all the things that I got. I missed that younger version of myself who was more independent minded, who was more skeptical, who was more willing to question everything and to take risks and to be free. And so the job for me, and I think for a lot of women in midlife is to figure out how to take the best parts of yourself and apply them in a new way to who you want to be in this next chapter.
Kim (20:43):
And so do you feel like we are who we are as kid, and then we're a teenager and then we're in college, then we have a job. And so sort of our innate specific qualities of who we are gets squished out of us when we go into these corporate settings and whether it's bosses or partners, or do you feel this happens to a lot of people, not just you, but that we become less of ourselves and not as connected to our true selves as we grow up? Do you think this is common for a lot of people? And if so, at what point does it go astray? Right.
Erin (21:17):
Yeah. I mean, I think it's just the pressures of modern life and the pressures on women, and especially now that we have careers and crush it in the workplace, and then we go home and we have to mom really hard, and then we're responsible for all the domestic labor, and then we are taking care of our parents, and then we're doing this, and then we're doing that. What gets lost is us, because we're in service so much of our lives and so much labor of various kinds rests on us. So the solution that the culture offers is chardonnay.
Kim (21:58):
I mean, I'll be honest, it's, it's a part of the answer.
Erin (22:03):
It is. However, these issues are bigger than what Chardonnay can take on. You're going to need something more than Chardonnay,
Kim (22:13):
Tequila, tequila,
Erin (22:15):
Tequila, or for me edibles because alcohol just kind of expired on me. But yeah, I mean, I think what gets lost is our pleasure, our sparkle, our joy, doing things just for ourselves that are not like a spa day or a girl's night, but that are practices and self-care on a deep level and actually doing things that mean something to us so hotter than ever really exists on the platform of pro pleasure, pro power, and profound pro pleasure, meaning seek the things that light you up, whether that is some part of your senses or your sexuality. Power meaning God, that's a word that scares women like power. Oh, I don't want power. What is power? I mean the power to make your own decisions, to find your own agency. And women do power with, we don't do power over. We're not like that. We handle power differently.
(23:15):
We want to bring each other up. We want to bring our communities up. We want to use our forces for good and then profound because at this point in our lives, we're seeking meaning, we're seeking depth, and we want to care. We care a lot. And there's this whole idea of no fucks left to give that you see all over social media. And I a hundred percent disagree with that. I think at this point in midlife, women care so much. We have so many fucks to give. We just want to give them to the right people in the right place, and we want to make decisions about how we use our energy and resources. That's kind of the underlying philosophy behind hotter than ever. And then what the business is is a media company making podcasts, doing the substack, and then leading into filmed media, short form, digital scripted and unscripted tv, and then also live events, standup shows with women over 40 that are more fun than your book club
(24:21):
And then a product line. So it really all together feeds this ethos of like midlife does not have to be a grim sentence, right? Because we are the healthiest, wealthiest, most successful generation of women to ever live on planet earth, and we are about to inherit all the baby boomers wealth, and we're going to do great things with it, and we're going to make our own decisions about it, and hopefully we're going to have a lot of fun in the process. So I am really excited to be in this midlife space and to be making things for this audience. I'm not going to produce a conference, but I'm going to make TV shows that you're going to talk about because there's nothing else out there except crime for women in midlife.
Kim (25:18):
I worked on some true crime. I can confirm that's true. I've worked on crime in two places. Yes.
Erin (25:23):
And that's what we get fed, right? Instead of empowering stories and romantic stories and exciting stories about who we are and who we can be.
Kim (25:32):
I love that, and I'm excited for the world to hear more from you and more from hotter than ever. And I have one question before we wrap, is that I am kind of obsessed with the idea of rejection because I personally take rejection hard. Everybody takes rejection hard. Everybody does. As I have a business, I'm like, oh, you have to get used to more nos because it means you're doing well. If you're getting more nos, it means you're getting more yeses. That's the single cycle. But it's hard. And most of us aren't used to that. Only all people are used to rejection of salespeople and actors basically. So I loved seeing that you were a TV executive for 20 years. You worked on Portlandia, huge hit, but you rejected, you passed on, you said No to Broad City and Schitt's Creek. And so for anyone who loves comedy, two massive shows, okay, huge shows. Huge shows. First of all, two part question, broad City and Schitt's Creek, were you like, I love these shows, and my boss said No, A, that's my first question. Then B is how can this idea of even great things get passed on help us when we handle rejection in our regular life?
Erin (26:37):
I love this question, Kim. When you work for a cable network, which I did, I worked for I-F-C-T-V, our brand of comedy that we spent years and years honing and crafting, starting with Portlandia, we switched, we pivoted from being an independent film channel to being a comedy brand. And our brand was always on slightly off. That was the tag, and it actually worked. It was right. And all of our decisions stemmed from that vision, that mission. We knew that our audience was male around 35 to 54 and everything had a certain tone and a certain vibe and a certain ethos to distinguish us from other platforms. And so when Broad City and Amy Poer came through the door to pitch us, we already had a show that was a female duo in development, and it was actually going to series, and it was such a departure to have something female led at this network that I knew I could never sell in a second female buddy show.
(27:50):
And so as much as I loved them and as much as I thought they were genius and that you kind of can't lose with that group, they were a little more rough around the edges. They were a little more organic, which is part of why they were so successful. But the show that we had was very polished and it was a very accomplished duo and who we did a season with called Garfunkel and Oats, and it was a fantastic show, but it was already in the one slot that we were dedicating to female talent. And so I had to pass. I just knew that there was no way I was going to sell this in as much as I was giddy from talking to them with Schitt's Creek. It was completely a tone thing. Schitt's Creek is really broad. It's really big, big comedy, and that was not what we were doing.
(28:46):
It just felt off brand. And as much as I love Eugene Levy and Dan Levy and Catherine O'Hara, holy moly, she's like one of my idols. It just felt wrong. You can look back and you go, oh my God, I did the wrong thing. I should have had these hits. But those shows were not going to necessarily be hits on our platform for our audience. So it's like maybe know who you are, use your filter for who your audience is and program to them. And also you don't get to take every shot. We already made that one bet on the female comedy duo, and sometimes the slot is taken. And so I never beat myself up about those things. I just think that's a really instructive kind of parable of things are right for you at the right time with the right tone for the right audience. Not everything is for everyone right now.
Kim (29:49):
I love the idea. We all have a hard time with rejection, whether we're on sales calls, whether we're applying for jobs. It's hard to hear. No, but it's incredible to hear you who's a very accomplished TV executive pass on shows like Broad City and Schitt's Creek, because I think for us, when we're like sometimes it really is just not a match for those two things, and it's not personal. You liked both shows. You thought they were both good. You thought they would both win, but not where you were. And so I think that that's instructive just to know huge, amazing talents, great shows get nos. They get rejected even though they go on for amazing things. I think that helps. That kind of helps, I feel like to know that that's happening out there in other fields for other people, that you get a lot of no's to get the yes
Erin (30:41):
And how you deliver. The no depends on whether that person comes back to you with the next thing that might be right for you. So if you get good at hearing no and saying no, while preserving the relationship and the respect that lives inside that dynamic, that it isn't a personal decision. It is literally what is right for your business or what is not right for your business. But I love you and I think you're amazing, and I know that I please would love it if you would come back in if you had something else that felt like it could be right for us. And I do think you develop, the producers I always love to work with, were the ones who would be like a quick no is better than a slow, maybe don't waste my time. You want it. You don't want it. And from hotter than ever perspective, I'm very specific. What it is that I'm doing is very specific. Some people might not like how kind of candid and frank, a lot of the stuff I talk about is, but okay, then don't listen or don't watch. And there's a whole wide range of colors in the crayon box.
(31:58):
I don't need everyone to like me. That is one of the lessons of age, because the people who really do like me and resonate, I'd rather have, this is an IFC lesson too. I'd rather have a small loyal audience than be kind of interesting to most people.
Kim (32:15):
Yeah, I love that. The thing that I also heard you say, which I'm resonating with as well, is how we can bounce back from rejection by remembering it happens to everyone, but also how we can give and receive nos more kindly and more productively. Because I think if someone gives me a no, but it says it in a kind way, I don't hate them. I'm like, okay, well, we'll reconnect in the future. Whatever
Erin (32:35):
Wasn't a fit, right?
Kim (32:37):
Right. It wasn't a fit. But likewise, when I'm saying no to someone, I try not to ghost anymore. I think it's a very immature thing to ghost people.
Erin (32:43):
I agree. But I
Kim (32:44):
Had a weird person. I was going to sign up with them for something, and then it just smelled fishy. Just something smelled weird when you just have that intuition.
Erin (32:52):
Yes, I'm dating online, so I Yeah,
Kim (32:55):
Exactly.
Erin (32:55):
Completely understand what you mean.
Kim (32:57):
And then I just was like, no. And then they kept pestering me to ask me why. And I was like, my intuition was right, because it's not a fit. And I'm not going to tell you, I think you're an unprofessional person, and I think that you're kind of not credible. I'm not going to tell you that that's too mean, but I just say it's not a fit. It's not the right time. And then it kept pestering me and I was like, ah, intuition was on. But anyway,
Erin (33:16):
Yeah, it's not your job to teach everyone,
Kim (33:18):
But I love the idea of giving and receiving rejection with kindness. Okay, Erin, where can everyone now that they love you and are so inspired by you, where can they find you and connect with you?
Erin (33:28):
You can find Hotter Than Ever anywhere you find podcasts, you can find my substack. It's substack.hotterthanever.com, which I write about the things that I talk about in the show. You can sign up for that on my website at hotterthaneverpod. Follow me in all the socials at Hotter than Ever Pod and come and be a part of the conversation and tell the women in your life who are 40 plus and maybe struggling with some of the stuff I've been talking about, that there's a cool and fun conversation that's going on in the hotter than ever universe.
Kim (34:04):
I will. Thank you so much, Erin.
Erin (34:06):
Thank you, Kim. I appreciate it.
Kim (34:12):
Thank you for joining us. Don't forget to exit the grind and enter success on your own terms. This is the exit interview with Kim Rittberg. Don't forget to grab my free download, how to Grow Your Business with Amazing video at kimrittberg.com and linked out in the show notes. I love to hear your feedback. Make sure to submit to me what you learned from the show and how you are crushing it on your own terms. Connect with me on Instagram or LinkedIn at Kim Rittberg, R-I-T-T-B-E-R-G. And this show is edited by Jillian Grover and produced by Henry Street Media. I'm your host and executive producer, Kim Rittberg.